sell some of us did infiltrate. our work was not as effective or as public as others but on the other hand, having turned out tom clancy, a 15 jesuits' who are solid priests, that of a college teaching has done a bad thing. [applause] >> especially if they are private. >> i am from los angeles on them national board of yaf when don devinwas young. [laughter] >> mr. i agree nobody is surprised the conservative movement is not feel by the fortune 500 of that of many millionaires. today given the dynamics of computer if you are starting business today would you start a direct mail company? >> absolutely. we don't have enough donors but we have more than when we started. the starting might come point* -- company after the goldwater landslide that was a dark day you think it is dark now. [laughter] those were really, really dark days and took me six months into 1964 -- to 65 before i could read the papers would sneak up on it with the comics and then this words it was tough days but radio is dead. television is dead. all